Evil Is Good And God Doesn't Exist???

[infinidream]

If God Exists, then Evil and Good exist and Evil is not Good (According to Christian bible)

Good is Good.

All the necessary components of good are good.

Evil is a necessary component of good.
---if there were no evil, the concept 'good' would have no meaning. such a word wouln't even exist.

Therefore

Evil is Good

God does not exist

[boagie]

Originally Posted by infinidream

If God Exists, then Evil and Good exist and Evil is not Good Good is Good. All the necessary components of good are good.

Evil is a necessary component of good.
---if there were no evil, the concept 'good' would have no meaning. such a word wouln't even exist. Therefore Evil is Good God does not exist

infinidream,

The semantics of duality. I think you need to determine what constitutes good and what constitutes evil, I think you will find, the source of those definations do not belong wholly to the mutually dependent terms, there is yet another source, and it is not god.






"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson

[Holiday20310401]

Originally Posted by infinidream

If God Exists, then Evil and Good exist and Evil is not Good

Good is Good.

All the necessary components of good are good.

Evil is a necessary component of good.
---if there were no evil, the concept 'good' would have no meaning. such a word wouln't even exist.

Therefore

Evil is Good

God does not exist

That's so flawed. Funny.
Thats's like saying girls = time and money. Time = money therefore girls = money squared. And money = the root of all evil. Girls = evil. It is wrong because of wrong assumptions. It was wrong to assume that girls only = time and money. Try putting it into your equation.
Evil is a necessary component of good but not the only one. In order to figure out a variable in an equation, one must know them all (that exist in the equation of course)
Sidenote: Girls are not evil.

[Ramsey]

I don't think that for Good and Evil to exist we need God.

Good and Evil can exist outside of God. It's only a term used to describe a moral standpoint.

If I have a Good Pen, does this make it divine, because God exists for good to exist? Therefore if a pen can be divine then why can't I? I in my own mind am a Good person, would this therefore make me divine?

Your making some huge logical jumps here. I would rather call evil a necessary opposite to good then a component. But then again, I would go further and say there is no such thing as a universal good or evil. Good and evil reside within the soul.

They are not divine concepts of God, but rather innate responses to moral situations.

[Didymos Thomas]

The semantics of duality. I think you need to determine what constitutes good and what constitutes evil, I think you will find, the source of those definations do not belong wholly to the mutually dependent terms, there is yet another source, and it is not god.

Really, good and evil are not mutually dependent terms? Enlighten us then, Boagie.

What is the source of 'Good' (good which is not understood by evil)?

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson

From the man who compiled his own Bible. Jefferson was critical of organized religion, not of man's spiritual nature.

As for God and good and evil, this all depends on how we decide to define God.

To infinidream's initial post - I would suggest recalling your Bible stories. Adam and Eve were thrown from the garden after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The duality was their mistake.

[Ramsey]

But then again that's something right there.

Adam and Eve lives in the perfect Garden of Eden, to some scholars they were created perfect. Thus would perfect beings, not be perfectly good, as well as perfectly evil? I think I'm right in saying I'm taking a page from St. Augustine, but if they were created perfect, would they have even know what good and evil were, or even right or wrong was. If they were both perfectly good, and perfectly evil then, would both concepts even exist in their thought?

So is it possible the God even contradicted itself at this point?

[Didymos Thomas]

If we take Adam and Eve to be perfect beings, then yes you are absolutely right.

The basic point I was trying to make is something I think boagie was hinting at - the flaw of dualistic thinking.

As for the story in question, I do not see how perfect beings could be tempted by the serpent into disobeying God's will. Such actions do not strike me as the actions of perfect beings. Of course, this might just be a highlight of my ignorance of St. Augustine, but I was under the impression that according to his tradition only God was perfect (and therefore Jesus was the only perfect human as Jesus is God).

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas
Really, good and evil are not mutually dependent terms? Enlighten us then, Boagie.

What is the source of 'Good' (good which is not understood by evil)?


Thomas,

You need to read more carefully, not wholly, was the operative term.

"I think you will find, the source of those definations do not belong wholly to the mutually dependent terms," boagie quote


To infinidream's initial post - I would suggest recalling your Bible stories. Adam and Eve were thrown from the garden after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The duality was their mistake.


So what's your point Thomas, surely your not saying this silly bible story is where good and evil come from. Good and evil/ good and bad, are biological determined, biological evaluations. If all meaning is subjective, and only bestowed upon the physical world, how could it be anything else.



Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson

[Aristoddler]

Good is a concept, not a physical thing, therefore it cannot "exist" per say.
The same can be said of love, hate, anger, emotions, intelligence, and zeros.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Aristoddler

Good is a concept, not a physical thing, therefore it cannot "exist" per say.
The same can be said of love, hate, anger, emotions, intelligence, and zeros.

Aristoddler,

Good can exist, as much as any other aspect of apparent reality, it is apparently good. Good is the evaluation of the relation between subject and object, it is as close to pure truth as one can come, it is first sensation, and then through the process of the understaning it is the judgement of good---it is good, relative to your own biology. An object, what you consider a physically hard object, it is only physcially hard relative to your own penetrability, your own density, so it is not different in its nature from the sensation of hot, relative to you.




Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." -Thomas Jefferson