Evil Is Good And God Doesn't Exist???

[Solace]

Hey, I make the same mistakes. For instance, some guy was handing out flyers today, screaming, "You will burn in the depths of hell if you do not kneel before Christ!!!". Instead of civilly explaining my case, I gave him a swift kick to the jugular.

Lol, Zeth, I probably would have done the same, (except I don't think I could kick that high, unless he was particularly short). I can accept other's opinions, and willingly reason with them, but I also have little time for zealots.

[urangutan]

Ahh, Zetherin. I am so gullible but for the fact I am learning to be patient, we would all know it.

You did however ask about whole truth. The only way I could answer this for you would be to give this example. Many questions asked on this forum, when deconstucted reveal the doubt that the person asking first reveals. Infinidream's opening stanza says that good cannot exist without there being evil. They may be correct when claiming that the word in definition could not exist but the action or sentiment naturally would. This sense of doubt confuses the purpose of the inquiry.

I am not saying that this was the definition of whole truth. If you are after help there may be doubt in your questions but if you are after answers or responses you cannot begin by being doubtful to where it is you stand.

I apologize Infinidream in singling you out as that was not the purpose, when I began in this thread. I have enjoyed this thread and much of the discussion it has brought forth.

[Zetherin]

Originally Posted by urangutan

Ahh, Zetherin. I am so gullible but for the fact I am learning to be patient, we would all know it.

You did however ask about whole truth. The only way I could answer this for you would be to give this example. Many questions asked on this forum, when deconstucted reveal the doubt that the person asking first reveals. Infinidream's opening stanza says that good cannot exist without there being evil. They may be correct when claiming that the word in definition could not exist but the action or sentiment naturally would. This sense of doubt confuses the purpose of the inquiry.

I am not saying that this was the definition of whole truth. If you are after help there may be doubt in your questions but if you are after answers or responses you cannot begin by being doubtful to where it is you stand.

I apologize Infinidream in singling you out as that was not the purpose, when I began in this thread. I have enjoyed this thread and much of the discussion it has brought forth.

I have no other option but to be doubtful as to where I stand. Everyday I experience new insights and become more enlightened. Just from posting on this forum for all of a week, I have discovered flaws in my past assumptions, in which I did not adequately consider. Therefore, it's tough for me to really discern where I stand at any one point in time, as I attempt to keep an open mind and doubt that I really have an answer.

Perhaps I'm just overthinking?

[boagie]

Originally Posted by infinidream

I would argue that Christianity, despite all its flaws, has made the world a better place:

The truth is, most people don't really care about philosophy. Most Christians go to church on Sunday and the rest of the week they just go about their lives. But they grow do grow up with the sermons drummed into their psyche, and some of it is bound to stick.

Whether or not you believe the bible is the word of god, following the rules it lays out does make for a relatively healthy society. Now imagine those same people (the one who don't care much about philosophy), as a bunch of narcissistic nihilists, and I believe you might be catching a glimpse of where this country is headed.

Save the world? The bible doesn't claim that it will save the world. It claims that hell will rise to the surface of the world, and only the followers of Jesus will escape!!!

infinidream;

I would agree that it is possiable that Christianity was a postive force two thousand years ago, just as the Greek Pantheon served the society of its context of time and place. The Greek Pantheon is retired and placed upon a shelve of honour, beside which, there is a place for Christianity.

[urangutan]

Zetherin, let's take the possibility that you believe in God, though thousands of people can show you how they can prove no entity ever existed. You don't have to agree or even ponder the thought but learn how to use the information they have provided to adjust the belief in your God. If you believe evil is good then just find your proof or modify your arguement for the time that your proof will manifest. You are not wrong but as you said just unstable. Right yourself towards the direction you want to lean.

[boagie]

Zetherin,

He said, you are unstable, that you see yourself as unstable. Tell me it's not true Zetherin!!

[Khethil]

Originally Posted by infinidream

I would argue that Christianity, despite all its flaws, has made the world a better place:

I'll have to apologize for singling out a point on an otherwise coherent discussion, but this statement (if you'll excuse the adversarial tone) is false.

I know we've gotten into this before (and I'm sure we'll get into it again), but the presumption that this ancient sillyness has helped humanity - virtually at all - is extremely easy to take great exception to. Now... I'm not sure its productive to dive into the boundless litany of damage the bible's teachings has done (and continues to do) since the end of such a discussion, even in the best of worlds, would probably be "we agree to disagree", but its sufficient to say that this is not a "given" to all.

I would; however, agree that its contents have brought a great deal of comfort to many (which in and of itself speaks to some value). But in the view of humanity's "goodness", progress, pain-vs-pleasure, interractions with each other, judgments, divisiveness/polarization, perpetuating foes, instilling prejudices, pigeon-holing roles, shattering the self and much, much more, I believe it to be a great burden we can only hope to extricate ourselves from.

Perhaps that's a discussion for another time and place.

[urangutan]

You could be right Boagie, unstable may be the wrong word if doubtful and open mind can be read as a progressive growth in ideas. Perhaps I should have said something with a more fluid texture to its tones.

What is mistaken about Christianity is how it is to associate with our pasts. We in general, should it be that you too are not of Hebrew descent, mistake the Old Testament as our inherited lineage in comprehending the New Testament. Some cults exclude the Old Books but never replace the growth in man from conception into the understanding that is Christianity.

The stories told by the Appostles would seem more appropriate in mindset if they followed the lore that was told to our ancestors. The Church in its wisdom to indoctrinate this New Scripture, erased the beliefs within much of our ancestral lands and then proceeded to pierce the memories of lore from the minds of the people.

Christianity in its core is not the problem but that it does not associate itself with our culture that was not lost, just subdued. When now we question the Word of the Lord it is awaken within ourselves those pasts that were anihilated to honour the New Lore.

[Zetherin]

Originally Posted by urangutan

Zetherin, let's take the possibility that you believe in God, though thousands of people can show you how they can prove no entity ever existed. You don't have to agree or even ponder the thought but learn how to use the information they have provided to adjust the belief in your God. If you believe evil is good then just find your proof or modify your arguement for the time that your proof will manifest. You are not wrong but as you said just unstable. Right yourself towards the direction you want to lean.

Thoughts weigh heavy on my mind. My friend and I refer to deeper thinking as an advancement to the next 'level'. Some days stepping up to the next level is a bit overwhelming, and I decide to focus on things such as my weightlifting, job, etc. Am I unstable? Possibly. Then again, I'm also stable.

What are you getting at through all of this, and how does this correlate to my initial posting? Obviously I use information provided to adjust beliefs and attempt to prove. That's why I'm here, urangutan. I don't know if you've read my other posts but I'm constantly seeking knowledge and applying new considerations - that's what I thrive off of. And, I have made attempts to lean, however, there are still many things I have not considered and I don't feel it's right of me to lean. Sure, when I'm on level one, I do lean. You can't live life without leaning to an extent. For instance, in my everyday life I have morals and go about my daily life as if I have purpose.I don't feel it's right of me to have a stagnant mind, though, so when I'm not engrossed in mundane activities I advance to the next level. I must continue this journey and keep learning.

[urangutan]

Zetherin I think I read post 53 in this thread completely wrong and hence went on my own tangent thinking along my own passage. I read your post again and it doesn't seem I could come up with my post without being totally off cue with what I read. I have to apologize for that one.