Evil Is Good And God Doesn't Exist???

[urangutan]

Aedes, this isn't good, I am ahead of the clock by more than half a day yet I come in behind the post, with a simple response that looks bad on you. This retort will do me no good.

To hell with it, I will have my wicked way. No good is not evil.

By the way, saving one person from a burning car is not less good than saving two. Less would imply that to be good only two will do. Remember the first post, "good is good".

The only opposite with good and evil is you can undress evil and you can dress up good but it doesn't work the other way. That is the moral in the Bible, though that is not the only place you will find it.

[boagie]

Aedes,

You have me toying with the idea, but I am not sure your right as yet, although the judgement or evaluation is a biological statement, the terms themselves, must have some catagorical function. They define largely what is acceptable to the body, and being catagorical in this sense they are mutually defining. It is true that a sensation might fall in midrange and thus not be categorized as either, but closer to a mundane experience, this to would ultimately be filed between good and bad, mundane not being particularly good nor particularly bad. I think it comes down to pleasure, displeasure, if you do not know what pleasure is, you could not know displeasure, intellectually at anyrate, biologically yes, the distinction would never the less be experienced.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

Yeah, we have to apply the terms for the terms to exist. How does this not make their meanings entirely mutually dependent?

Thomas,

The problem is a total, the two terms are two thirds of the problem, the missing third is the biology which defines both. Something can be said to be objectively good, only your own biology can confirm or deny that.

[Zetherin]

Originally Posted by boagie

Thomas,

The problem is a total, the two terms are two thirds of the problem, the missing third is the biology which defines both. Something can be said to be objectively good, only your own biology can confirm or deny that.

I'm a bit curious as to see your perception of objectively good. Can you present me with an instance where my biology (evidently an 'entity', capable of judging) confirms or denies good or evil?

You were on the right track when you stated that we apply meaning to the concepts good and evil, as the universe is considered neutral. However, I don't quite see where you're going with this.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Zetherin

I'm a bit curious as to see your perception of objectively good. Can you present me with an instance where my biology (evidently an 'entity', capable of judging) confirms or denies good or evil?

You were on the right track when you stated that we apply meaning to the concepts good and evil, as the universe is considered neutral. However, I don't quite see where you're going with this.

Zetherin,

Are you a new arrival Zetherin, if so welcome, glad to have you on board! Well, back to the discussion, these terms are not unlike the terms of any other situtation, each word is in a sense establishing an identity, and the process of establishing identity is exclusion, an exclusionary process, so, what is good to exclude, in the black and white world of good and bad, good excludes that which is bad. To put it another way, all words are qualifications and/or limitations, in the case of what is good, I would say good qualifies itself and excludes that which is bad. The biology aspect is just a reminder that it all rests on a biological foundation.

[Zetherin]

Originally Posted by boagie

Zetherin,

Are you a new arrival Zetherin, if so welcome, glad to have you on board! Well, back to the discussion, these terms are not unlike the terms of any other situtation, each word is in a sense establishing an identity, and the process of establishing identity is exclusion, an exclusionary process, so, what is good to exclude, in the black and white world of good and bad, good excludes that which is bad. To put it another way, all words are qualifications and/or limitations, in the case of what is good, I would say good qualifies itself and excludes that which is bad. The biology aspect is just a reminder that it all rests on a biological foundation.

Yes, I am a new arrival - seeking knowledge, brought here by my curiosity. I appreciate your warm welcome.

That's a great point, regarding words being limitations. Which lends to the point, again, that we don't even have the capacity to really fathom the world around us. The moment we believe we have a concrete understanding of something, the less we actually know. But, how can one live without attempting to understand? I don't think one can, which is why I'm here, which is why we're all here.

I think regarding the concept of "good" and "evil" as objective, which is what much of our society does, is simply not the right way to view the world. I believe we are spiraling downward as a whole, and I'm searching for a way to enlighten those around me. Religions, ideals, memes that lend to separation, not the benefit of our species. But, this doesn't make what I'm saying "right". Perhaps I'm completely wrong, and perhaps my idea of enlightening really isn't enlightening anymore at all. After all, I apply meaning to the word, as I apply meaning to anything.

[boagie]

Zetherin,

Your concerns about the state of values in society I share myself, though I rather think it is an overall decline of the moral fabric of society, the prognosis is frightening. I have already read a number of your posts, you appear to be a most welcome addition to our numbers, probably because I agreed with what I read. I can be bought cheaply, with but a little flattery or a coin. Again Welcome!!

[Zetherin]

Originally Posted by boagie

Zetherin,

Your concerns about the state of values in society I share myself, though I rather think it is an overall decline of the moral fabric of society, the prognosis is frightening. I have already read a number of you posts, you appear to be a most welcome addition to our numbers, probably because I agreed with what I read. I can be bought cheaply, with but a little flattery or a coin. Again Welcome!!

If you share my concerns, then why must we do nothing? A close friend of mine and I are thinking of attempting something. This internet is powerful tool.

I suppose I'm going off on a tangent here, but I'd really enjoy hearing your ideas on applying a more neutral base for humanity to flourish - one rid of parasitic ideals that are rarely though out. A more open-minded philosophy. If you think it's possible, or even necessary, I'm very interested.

(Please direct me to a suitable location, if needed)

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Zetherin

If you share my concerns, then why must we do nothing? A close friend of mine and I are thinking of attempting something. This internet is powerful tool.

I suppose I'm going off on a tangent here, but I'd really enjoy hearing your ideas on applying a more neutral base for humanity to flourish - one rid of parasitic ideals that are rarely though out. A more open-minded philosophy. If you think it's possible, or even necessary, I'm very interested. (Please direct me to a suitable location, if needed)

Zetherin,

I know of no such philosophy at present, nature however is in crisis, and humanity will learn, it is then, necessarily in crisis. What arises in the wake of the wrath of nature, will be a new way.-----sounds damn profound does not!! Kind of the order disorder leaves. Good luck with the internet thing!

[Zetherin]

Originally Posted by boagie

Zetherin,

I know of no such philosophy at present, nature however is in crisis, and humanity will learn, it is then, necessarily in crisis. What arises in the wake of the wrath of nature, will be a new way.-----sounds damn profound does not!! Kind of the order disorder leaves. Good luck with the internet thing!

Do you believe that it would be beneficial for humanity to put their morality, ideals, and discriminations aside, and attempt to view the world without a viel across the eyes - much like you, I, and many others on this forum are attempting to do?

There are so few of us, those of us that are willing to live life without certainty, without a solid base for morality to rest, without a definite belief in a God, etc. Those that choose this path are considered "philosophers", or worse yet "insane".

Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'm better than anyone else - to think that would contradict my entire philosophy. However, I do believe the more people attempting to defy 'normal' societal beliefs - the parasitic ideals that have us all believing things are black and white. The more people that choose to think outside of the box, despite the fear and uncertainty that may overcome them, the better in my eyes.

Have you ever been interested in trying to spark something? I'd need a hell of a lot more than luck. I need people.