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| Philosophy of Politics Closely related to Ethics and Law, Politics is the study governments and nations. The philosophy of governing. Left or Right? What obligations are our political obligations? How did Politics come about? |
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| Re: Is there Any Way to Win?
Of course good people can get elected. They take office all of the time. The higher the position, the more difficult to reach for a good person, but none the less, good people reach high office all of the time. Jimmy Carter, George McGovern, Mike Gravel. Do we tend to elect egotistical, lying scoundrels? You bet. But sometimes the electorate makes a decent choice. |
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I'm not very positive about politics. It's my opinion that politics, already a nasty endeavor, has become worse in the past twenty years or so. McGovern's loss to Nixon may have been a fatal blow to decent American politics, and certainly caused a great deal of harm to politics in other nations as well. I do not like Obama, but when I compare him to other modern politicians, he looks like a step in the right direction. We'll see how things go, eh? |
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Political contests in modern America are now just another form of mass entertainment. People enjoy watching their side tear the other side to bits in debates and on tv shows. People tune in for the SNL debates to laugh at our moronic candidates, but yet also go out and hunt down the jewelry they have on because it's the latest trend in fashion. Now we have an entire satirical movie coming out that is based around the life of a president, and I'm sure it will be a big hit. The state of politics in this country is a big joke, and everyone just continues to laugh away at it. Keep on laughing America, until one day you suddenly realize it has turned from funny to very scary.
__________________ "I tread on air and contemplate the sun." |
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Thanks guys, Yea I know I really sound like I've got an axe to grind there; and perhaps I do. But I honestly believe that those points have validity - that the way things are set up (and the nature of our people) almost preclude anyone decent being elected. Beware those who crave power, beware those talking out both sides of their mouth, beware those who're beyond ostentatious: Boom! Guess what kind of person we've got. Anyway yea - and good perspective Pang: I'm thinking about your last sentance, Quote:
Last night we had some friends over; negativity ruled again I'm afraid, as we talked politics. The theme of the night was all of us - jokingly - deciding just how we were to go about moving to the backwoods of Canada or Australia. What I'm getting at is this: We're a people slow to move, tending towards selfishness and lassitude; and it takes a lot to get us caring about something passed our own little issues. Then I think about your statement, "... just keep laughing, one day... " and you're right; spot on. I finally realized that we, as a nation, have no collective conscience (or the morality we extol) when I saw that despite the gross, abject and wanton murder we were committing in Iraq, the perpetrator of this (who used the pain of 911 to re-direct to his own agenda) was re-elected. And in that moment, with "all my devotion, betrayed", I started thinking about the "why" and came up with the initial post here. So yes, I love my people very much. My dismay regarding our collective lassitude combined and non-nonchalant reaction to past betrayals does occasionally get calmed, it's just not very often. Sorry for the rant and thanks again for the input. |
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In regards to foreign policy, I personally do not think it makes any difference who gets elected. The foreign policy advisors are all part of the neo-conservative camp, who believe in furthering the empire at every opportunity, and who were taught that Machiavelli is God. (Might = Right) "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must." This philosophy dominates both the Dem. and Rep. camps. Congressmen can claim it was all Bush's fault, but they still voted to attack Iraq without provocation, and most of them have voted in support of the war since.
__________________ "I tread on air and contemplate the sun." |
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The young do not remember. Foreign policy has been dominated by hawks for thirty years or so. But ask yourselves why. The reason is that those in power have, for the most part, been hawks. These hawks give the good jobs to fellow hawks. Even Nixon was forced to end the war in Vietnam because of popular opinion. Popular opinion had been shaped by dove foreign policy advisers. Politics has always been entertainment. Satire is as ancient as politics itself. I have a hard time buying this notion that somehow satire will drive the erosion of decent politics. Satire isn't just funny, it's also critical. So, yeah, let's laugh until we puke, and then remember the witty criticisms of the smile producing satire next time we vote. |
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Are you familiar with Tocqueville? His theory was that democracy promotes mediocrity, and I am inclined to agree. If you study many of the "great moments" of American history, they were wrought by the more tyranically inclined of our Presidents. Tocqueville attempts to show that autocratic government achieves more, and can be credited with the greatest of human moments. He also tries to show that it brings out the worst in human nature. His question then: are we willing to suffer horrible tyranny in order to achieve greater things? He concludes, no. Democracy is still the answer. Even if we sink to mediocrity, more people are better off in the long run. I don't agree with all his conclusions, but it's a fascinating study of how democracy works. |
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| Re: Is there Any Way to Win?
Our corrupt leaders mirror our own corrupt hearts. Each individual is part of the whole. 'Self' evolution will naturally bring evolution of our 'reflections' in Washington. That is where the real work lies, not in complaining about our corrupt 'mirrors', but in doing the 'work' ourselves that will bring an honorable, compassionate, charitable, intelligent, empathic 'change' in our reflections! "Be the change that you want to see!" |
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