The Selfish Nature Of All Actions

[boagie]

RichardGrant,

"There is no such thing as right or wrong, only thinking makes it so." William Shakespeare

"To god all things are right and good, only to man, some things are and some things are not." Heraclitus

You are in good company sir!!

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by Rose

The rose coloured glasses have to come off every now and then - I suppose.

As long as you keep the lenses of the rose colored glasses clean, there is no need to remove them.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by boagie

Rose,

I would not let what I had to say dishearten you about humanity, it is simply the way we function, how it comes about that we act. It does not mean that there is no altruism, in fact the process of feeling compassion for another must occur through identificaton with. So the will is affected by the given circumstance of another, it then becomes the will of our hero to aid another, it takes nothing away from the virtue of the act, but simply underlines the process of how it comes about. It was a very nice story, showing how wrong we can be in our judgements of others, the painter was indeed a very compassionate man, he did not wear his motivation on his sleeve, and the judgment passed upon him was indeed unjust,

Forget about it. I was tired and being silly.

Here's a joke I think you might like.

There are two statues in a park; one of a nude man and one of a nude woman. They had been facing each other across a pathway for a hundred years, when one day an angel comes down from the sky and, with a single gesture, brings the two to life.

The angel tells them, 'As a reward for being so patient through a hundred blazing summers and dismal winters, you have been given life for thirty minutes to do what you've wished to do the most.'

He looks at her, she looks at him, and they go running behind the shrubbery. The angel waits patiently as the bushes rustle and giggling ensues. After fifteen minutes, the two return, out of breath and laughing.

The angel tells them, 'Um, you have fifteen minutes left, would you care to do it again?'

He asks her 'Shall we?'

She eagerly replies, 'Oh, yes, let's! But let's change positions.
This time, I'll hold the pigeon down and you **** on its head.'

[Rose]

Originally Posted by Richardgrant

As I awaken to who I am, I find myself being less judgmental, where I dont see the differences, where in actual fact there is no such thing as good or bad, right or wrong. all is in divine order,

Hi! Richard,

I love your way of thinking. Probably because it is also my way of thinking. I Awoke after reading and re-reading a book called The Masterkey System. That was just the beginning of a long and sometimes hard journey. I climbed a ladder and each rung was labelled; Occult, Mysticism, Metaphysics, Positive Thinking, Bible, Psychology, Philosophy, and Zen Buddhism. And I’m not done climbing. I feel like an observer of this world. And nothing maters and everything just works out when we stop worrying about it not working out. I believe we are our own God. I also believe we each live in a world of our own making with our own beliefs and concepts, expectations and desires. And that we cause our own suffering and pain from the thoughts we think. I believe the quality of our thoughts determines the quality of our life.

I hope I didn’t come across above like a Rambling Rose. Take care. I hope to see more video talks of yours.

[Rose]

Thanks again, Bogie.

I'm trying, and sometimes I'm very trying.

I decided a long time ago that if I had to be a pessimist I would try to be an optomistic pessamist. I think it worked. But when fatgued and reduced to a child-like state it can be difficult.

[Fairbanks]

Originally Posted by boagie

Rose,

why people like reading novels, they get to know what motivates the hero/heroin, were in real life its a shot in the dark.

The story has a touch of Boccaccio, that is, just enough author intrusion to make the meaning clear. Wouldn't be surprised to find it is indeed the basis of one of his famous ironic tales.

[boagie]

Fairbanks

I am not familar with said Baccaccio, anything like the irony of O' henry?

[Fairbanks]

Originally Posted by boagie

Fairbanks

I am not familar with said Baccaccio, anything like the irony of O' henry?

Indeed, yes, indeed.

[Fairbanks]

Originally Posted by Rose

. . . I climbed a ladder and each rung was labelled; Occult, Mysticism, Metaphysics, Positive Thinking, Bible, Psychology, Philosophy, and Zen Buddhism. . .

Haven't seen this cartoon lately, and even if I had a copy I wouldn't know how to post it here. Shows a man working in his garden, the rake, shovel, hoe, all that, just everyday work in the garden not paying any attention to anything. Then a passing monk invites him to go on the journey and he leaves his home and garden and takes class after class from master after master and learns technique after technique and becomes himself a master. Last frame he is back in his garden with the rake and hoe and shovel not paying attention to anything.

[Billy]

Originally Posted by boagie

Rose,

Yes it is a nice story, but the point made in this thread is that no matter what an individual does, be it helpful to another or harmful to another, the performance of an action, is first the fulfillment of the will of the individual, thus it is said to be, first selfish. One cannot act unless one wills it, and the action fulfills the will. Will= selfserving purpose through action = selfish. The moral of that story you presented, is it not that we cannot know what motivates another through our own judgement? I think that is why people like reading novels, they get to know what motivates the hero/heroin, were in real life its a shot in the dark.

It's hardly worth creating a whole 'nother thread called the unselfish or selfless nature of all actions, but that thread is based on the premise that no matter what an individual does, be it helpful to another or harmful to another, the performance of an action, is first the fulfillment of the will of GOD, thus it is said to be, first selfless. One cannot act unless GOD wills it, and the action fulfills the will of GOD.

Billy