What's the point of School, really?

[Zetetic11235]

Go out, find people you like, or, if you really truly love some field of academics, go learn it on your own and follow the advice I gave in my above post. If you like chemistry, you could probably find a way to be done with organic by the time you go off to college depending on what year you are in H.S. now. You would be able to go straight into the theory and meat of the subject and you would have a huge leg up as far as job/academic opportunities. It all depends on what your priorites are.

[Aedes]

Originally Posted by Zetetic11235

Ivy league by definition is a school in the U.S.A. based upon a competetive sports circle.

Huh? No, Ivy League is specifically the following schools: Brown, Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia, University of Pennsylvania, and Cornell. Other than Cornell they are some of the oldest colleges and universities in the country, and they're all prestigious, competitive, and academically outstanding. There are many other top schools that are not part of the Ivy League, of course.

[Zetetic11235]

In historical context, Aedes. Observe, Ivy League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Im surprised you went to Harvard without knowing anything about its history. Its not really of much import I suppose, but still. No school outside those eight can every be ivy league, only of ivy league quality.

[Zetetic11235]

You know, honestly, holiday, it sounds to me like your school isn't that great even among public schools. We learned about the structure of the periodic table of in Integrated Science 1 advanced, which is the first level H.S. course for freshmen. We learned about how it was set up as far as periodicity, valence shells, reactivity. Further we studied all of the phase changes, evaporation, sublimation ect, and all of the basic principles of earth science; aquifers and their classification, stages of volcanic activity ect.
We started cheistry with a review of factor lable and then jumped into electronegativity, atomic raduis, surface tension ect and we had to do quite a bit of stoicheometry. By the end we had touched upon very basic organic chemistry.

In biology, we did do quite a bit of coloring....in retrospcet I hated the class and the teacher was a dingbat.

In honors physics we covered everything from frictional coefficients to basic optics; refraction indexes, mechanics of mirrages ect. The teacher was quite intuitively good with the subject and had 2 or 3 maters degrees in hard science. He took advantage of the fact that he was so in demand to allow us to do somewhat unorthodox experiments, one such being a projectile launcher, one of the students made a black powder cannon with a rock structure, a metal pipe and steel ball bering. Basically a ground mounted gun. We fired them all over the football field.

My physics teacher was definitely the one who got me into physics and mathematics.

Overall, highschool wasn't that bad. Most classes sucked, but the science ones were good. I found people who I really liked my junior and senior year that I otherwise would have never known. I may have been screwed over more than once by the auditorium class sign up method...there really is not up side to that, actually. Whatever you want to do.

[Holiday20310401]

My physics teacher is cool too, and we really do quite a bit of work in physics, and I've scanned the grade twelve textbook, and I found we get to learn about the dual slit experiment and wave-particle duality, now finally something. I hate kinematics and dynamics, personally, and that was basically the whole grade eleven physics course. We briefly touched on magnetism.
Chemistry had some stoichiometry, its not like we didn't get into some good math. We did limiting reactants, mol conversions (the course was principled upon the concept of the 'mole'), and 3 days of organic chemistry, it was nomenclature of hydrocarbons, but we stuck to alkanes, so not really an appropriate intro. Now I can name hydrocarbons, ethers, carboxylic acids, ketones, etc. ( I taught meself at the start of summer break ). The textbook was better at explaining than the teacher in the nomenclature. (There can be some pretty complex molecules as Aedes would probably know).
Biology was all about the cell. The endoplasmic reticulum, the lysosomes, etc, all of which we did briefly in grade eight. There was some Mendel, along with punnett squares. We only had two variable punnett squares though (I'm assuming you can have dozens). And we did darwin, we were taught that darwins theory was correct, and I asked the teacher is the theory correct in grade twelve? And he says no not really. Ticks me off!!

As for our school, well, its nicknamed the pharmacy . Otherwise I don't really know how good our school is rated.

What I can't wait for is the peer tutoring class and world issues class. And I'm still considering the writer's craft. I would have only too good of creative writing to submit compared to the laime stuff that is generally done throughout.

Its the fact that there are no lessons in english class after grade 10. And all lessons in grade 9, 10 are geared to 'how to write formal essays'. It's all about preparation for university, never about real writing. Also, what about real books?
Did you have to read Lord of the Flies? Stupid book with little analysis to give. Don't know why its in the curriculum still. 1984 was good so I can't complain though.

[Zetetic11235]

We also read 1984, and we had a couple opportunities to pick a book on which to do a presentation. I chose crime and punishment. InHonors english junior year they read Brave New World, however, due to a clerical error of some kind I didn't get into the class dispite a 95% in english two advanced(which was a joke of jokes, we watched movies or discussed current events the whole time, a bit of sentence corretions and vocab, but that is nothing).

I found it quite disheartening when I realized that I had a much more expansive vocabulary than most of my english teachers and grasped the essay on oligarchial collectivism in 1984 much more deeply than the teacher who assigned it, who then had me do a presentation about it for the class. I spent my senior year reading Dostoyevski, Kafka, Hesse, Nietzsche and a bit of Kant. I had long hair so I hid earbud head phones under it and litened to captain beefheart while my teacher went over vocab, which took so much of th class period it was unbearable without the music and my writing/drawing to distract me. For an unacceptable ammount of time(any) my english teacher put on Grey's Anatomy, a moronic, disgustigly predictable, bastardisation of the video media, instead of teaching because she was too incompetent to use up the time in any meaningful way. I stand by this, education majors are 99.9% dunces by every measure and should not be allowed near children or expensive equipment.

I utterly dispised the educational side of the highschool experience. It ate away at me the whole time I was there, everytime another student showed the astonishing depth of his/her ignorance I felt a little sick. I couldn't handle ignorance and obtuseness of the magnitude that the bulk of my student body had, it depressed me too greatly seeing what should have and indeed could have been. How easily distracted people are, how easily they will let the wool be pulled over their eyes, how petty the highschool differences, who was in this group or that due to this or that reason, it all disgusted me. I can say that while I am glad I went, I am glad I'm out. Although the very same problems still surround us, it is not so concentrated and does not seem so hopeless. It is probably a defiant illusion that leads me to such a conlusion, one that plants a seed of false hope that humanity will one day improve in a substantial way, stop being so petty and pay less attention to the silly distractions that become our obessions and values, silly disputes over sports, over politics, over videogames, looks.

For me, I think that highschool was a real eye opener to the stark reality of human nature, the good and the bad, and how rare the good is. It showed me what I can change and where my limits are.

Well, that was quite a diatribe, I haven't reflected much on that for quite a while and now I feel a bit upset. Academically, do what you want, the other aspects will fall into place.

[Holiday20310401]

lol. Can't say as I am as smart as you. Not having to try and getting 95% (s). But for the most part I understand, the problem with me is I don't try so my marks don't reflect any of my abilities. When writing it is a nuisance to be marked on structure rather than ideas, and connections. In school I notice that most classes don't recognize the making connections portion of a course. Its only worth about 10% of each class. It is the part though where a student can think an come up with abstract ideas, and learn. But nooo... its all about the knowledge portion.

[Theaetetus]

I think most schools up to college serve to beat the last remaining intellectual curiosity out of people and take fun out of learning. People are easier to control if they quit learning and just begin accepting and reciting.

[Zetetic11235]

I think that as college becomes more 'consumer friendly' by encouraging people only looking to get a carrer jump to come in rather than apprentice or go to trade school we shall decline into a nation of fools, having no outlet for intellectual curiosity/freedom nor any appreciation of such things. As superficial practicality takes precident over true achievment and intellectual progress, we will fall as a nation and rightfully so.

The standards of institutions of learning in the U.S. now pale in comparison to what they were in the mid twentieth century thanks to this massive effort to crank out more specialized 'products' in lieu of men of letters, all in order that companies can benefit from the workforce, which will become so overspecialized that it reaches a point of total incompatibility and falls under its own weight.

When no one can see beyond their tiny function to the greater whole, the tower starts to crumble, you get roads built to nowhere, you start loosing money and the infrastructure collapses. Beurocracy and overspecialization will be the downfall of us in the end.

I am not an elietist, I think every man and woman deserves to have a place in society, and no man is greater than another simply because the boulder he/she pushes is bigger or brighter in color. But this method of weakening the educational infrastructure for a more desirable product is undermining the whole of america. I cannot see this nation lasting as it is for many more decades, there must be a paradigm shift in order that we endure. It seems to me very unfortunate, looking at the heyday of my country and what it accomplished, that we seem headed for such a rough decline. I can only hope that what I describe will not be the case at all.

You seem like a pretty bright guy holiday, follow your interest. There are a lot of online college programs you can enroll in during highschool. Just be warned, don't let them make you into a stamped out worker bee, keep things in perspective and try to figure out when it is best to go with the grain and when you can get away from going against it.

[deathontwolegs]

There is absolutely no point to high or elementary school, and mandatory education needs to be abolished immediately. It kills creativity in the student, they learn to despise the work, because god forbid you don't go to school and follow your own method of learning, the police escort you. Learning is not a crime... unless it is YOUR style of learning which does not precisely comply with the school, then they take issue.

Get rid of it, now. School should absolutely be optional, all the way, for every age.