The Mind Is A Secondary Organ

[boagie]

Hi Y'all!,

The mind is a secondary organ in serves to the community of the body.The body is not in serves to the mind or only in a secondary nature.If this reality where embraced by society, how do you imagine it would re-structure society,what changes in laws,morality and values would occur--------what would the place look like?

It is a dreamy moving not quite thing,only the illusion is the grasp of the ring.
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Hi Mom!

Speaking of the mind as a secondary organ,this came up at the coffee shop yesterday morning--right! It seems now with the study of our biological rythms their effect on us as organisms is more profound then previously thought,we are an intricate time piece,keeping time with the spheres and where that time becomes distorted we become sick,perhaps in degree, grand or in-between.They now believe that these disturbances cause by, not enough light,to much light,not enough dark,to much dark, has thrown our systems off.This is just an example of living againt ones biological nature.Everyone knows how difficult it would be to live a natural life in an industrial reality.To live life accordding to the principle of the mind as a secondary organ in serves to the body would be impossiable,but the only sane way to live.
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One day consciousness built itself a brain, this multicelluar organism now calls itself Harry and entertains the most wonderus delusions. come listen, Harry thinks he is it! Now, Harry may be the mayor, but as unfortunate as that might be, he has lost touch with his community and when that happens, the whole community suffers.

Give it some thought, not only is the mind/brain a secondary organ, but how often in discussion of philosophical questions, example identity, is it discussed from the prospective of a multicellular organism. How often is it pointed out that the whole body is consciousness.One can get a hint of what it might feel like to be a member of the community that forms the body, simple by ones function as a private citizen in a given community.Our inventions,technology and institutions are expressions of our biology.What do you think?

[Justin]

Boagie, I understand what you are saying here. However, I consider the brain to the what you are talking about rather than the mind. Mind being universal and spiritual, brain being the molecular structure seated in the head which records the physical sensations of the body. The brain being the device, the mind being creation and creativity.

Therefore, I would think that the person who thinks solely with the brain is living in the physical universe of matter. The one who thinks in the light of the mind, is one who thinks internally, spiritually, etc etc. So brain and mind could not be considered the same thing.

The body, depending on ones understanding of consciousness... regardless, would be the vessel of the mind. People are under the misconception that they are their body and that's not correct. If you were to sever your arm off and toss it over on the other side of the room, would you be your arm? No, you are still you which is not the body but the mind or spirit. The poem is not the poet, the music is not the musician and the creation is not necessarily the creator.

Those are my thoughts on your post and I really cannot go any further with my understanding. We are one community separated by the physical. So when we build others, in essence, we build the community. When we destroy others, we destroy community.

Look forward to your thoughts....

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Justin

Boagie, I understand what you are saying here. However, I consider the brain to the what you are talking about rather than the mind. Mind being universal and spiritual, brain being the molecular structure seated in the head which records the physical sensations of the body. The brain being the device, the mind being creation and creativity.

Therefore, I would think that the person who thinks solely with the brain is living in the physical universe of matter. The one who thinks in the light of the mind, is one who thinks internally, spiritually, etc etc. So brain and mind could not be considered the same thing.

The body, depending on ones understanding of consciousness... regardless, would be the vessel of the mind. People are under the misconception that they are their body and that's not correct. If you were to sever your arm off and toss it over on the other side of the room, would you be your arm? No, you are still you which is not the body but the mind or spirit. The poem is not the poet, the music is not the musician and the creation is not necessarily the creator.

Those are my thoughts on your post and I really cannot go any further with my understanding. We are one community separated by the physical. So when we build others, in essence, we build the community. When we destroy others, we destroy community.

Look forward to your thoughts....

Hi Justin!

I would say that the brain is the function of the body, produced by the consciouness of that body.The mind is a function of the brain and creativity the function of mind. I am unsure what you mean by the universality of the mind, so I will reseve comment until you expand on that topic a little.

It is a very unusual perspective you have reguarding what you identify with, certainly you would have difficulty forming such a habit of mind with your arm. I think this business of rating parts, body and mind is a carry over from early Christian teachings. The brain evolved form the inside out, the most recent addition might be said to be the least elementary. There are organisms which survive with a simple brainstem, or a bunch of lose ganglia,or no visiable brain whatsoever, so a fully developed brain is not essential to the survival of an organism.

Never the less, it is the body which produces the brain not the brain which produces the body.You are not a singular identity and I believe that the commonality of the bodily community is what recognized itself in others, it is the bases of compassion, it even recognizes itself in other forms, or one would not have compassion for the suffering of animals. It would seem rather obvious that the community of the body, our biology, expresses itself in the form of human communities, from a biological blueprint it is produced in the outside world.

This community of the body insures its continued existence through reproduction of like structures, the sense of individual indentity is no more than a highly functional illusion, so sucessful it forgets it real essence, it is the same essence from generation to generation. An inventor might do well to look for the models of his creations in the biology of his own being.

[perplexity]

Meditation Alters Brain Structure

The regular practice of religious mediatation affects the physical structure of the brain, which is to say that the brain is a function of the mind,

QED.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by perplexity

Meditation Alters Brain Structure

The regular practice of religious mediatation affects the physical structure of the brain, which is to say that the brain is a function of the mind,

QED.

Why the thumbs down? Anyway, I believe you are correct. Meditation however does not have to be labeled as religious meditation. Meditation is meditation, religious or not. ... And, meditation can effect the physical structure of the brain as well as other physiological components of the body. Therefore, I'd agree that the brain is in essence a function of the mind yet they serve two different purposes.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by perplexity

Meditation Alters Brain Structure

The regular practice of religious mediatation affects the physical structure of the brain, which is to say that the brain is a function of the mind,

QED.

perplexity,

Very interesting! I will reserve much in the way of comment until I have throughly read this article. I may be mistaken but I think what they are saying is that the function of the brain can be altered, there seems to be a close connection between structure and function. I think as yet it is a great leap of faith to say the brain is the function of the mind. As to origin it is even a greater jump to absurdity at this point. Excerise too changes the structure of the body but it does not change its basic nature, use it or lose it has always been true.

[perplexity]

Here is another to peruse:

Are humans 'hard-wired' to believe in God?

[Justin]

Boagie, I'm not sure what is meant my consciousness of the body.

Universal mind that I refer to is the one source of all creation. I believe that there is only one source and one mind divided in the light of creation. Some refer to this as God. So when I refer to Universal Mind, I'm speaking of God.

My point is not the rating of parts nor does it come from early Christian teachings. Christianity, that I know identifies with the body. My point with the arm was that how can you be your arm? What if it was your leg that was severed and thrown across the room... are you your leg? Who are you then?

Once the spirit leaves the body, the body breaks down from a very complex assortment of elements to a very simple form. This causes your body to begin to smell and start to deteriorate... brain included. The brain is a physical structure of matter within the body which is also matter. The mind (or spirit), however is much greater than that of the body. Although the body is going to die or refold back into the universe, the energy of the spirit is eternal and forever.

The body produces nothing. It is a tool used to manifest the creation of the mind or spirit. A mans body is simply a vessel in which he can control with his mind. The body has no ability to do anything other than what the soul permits. All of these things... mind, spirit and soul can be considered One thing. It can of course be referred to as Father, Son and Holy Spirit as well. It depends on how one was taught.

Our body is the expression of our mind. What our body does, the relationships our body forms, and the illness our body attracts are manifestations of the mind. There is no greater source than the Universal mind which is present in every living being.

The difficulty with this is that we are trained right from birth to think with our physical brain. We are trained that we are prodigal sons of God. We grow up learning by the use of our 7 senses. We are told that is hot, and when we touch it, it is hot and that sense is recorded by the brain. We are taught to study and do homework and to read and learn from history, these are all the knowledge of the senses. No new knowledge comes from that. There are not many, if any schools that teach children to think with their mind rather than their brain. So humanity as a whole is taught only that which the scientific world can explain and can be measured by the senses of the body. Well, if man is not 'body', then what is man?

In your last statement you said: "An inventor might do well to look for the models of his creations in the biology of his own being." All great inventors already do this. However, they don't look for it in biology, they actually invent it in their mind first then create the manifestation of it in the physical realm. Biology is short lived, just as our lives are short lived... (our physical existence), but our mind is not our body and is forever.

When it comes to identity, people make the grave mistake of forming their identity based on the physical creations surrounding them... like, what car they drive, how they are dressed, who their click of friends are and all those other things, and this is because people can identify with this kind of status quo type stuff. However, this type of identity is false. Mankind will continue to falsely identify himself with physical world of earthly things until he understands that he is not his body and his identity is not something separate from God and his creation.

In Christian teachings, we are taught that we are separate and distant from God and anything else is blasphemy. When in truth, we are creation of God and not separate from him... But, how is one to know that when they are instructed only on the teachings of the world rather than the teachings of the divine light that is present in all creation.

I hope I have been able to somewhat explain my original post. Certainly look forward to your thoughts on this and anyone else who cares to join in.

[boagie]

perplexity,

How is it relevant to the mind as a secondary organ?

[Justin]

Mind simply is not an organ at all. Brain is an organ, mind is not.