The Mind Is A Secondary Organ

[Justin]

Boagie,

I didn't mean to cut off the conversation as that wasn't my intention. It's just difficult to explain and provide a basis of foundation for discussion. Was hoping someone else would join this discussion as well. It's always nice to read and review different mindsets on this. No need to apologize, I didn't see that you had reacted badly.

You mentioned that it hints to something similar to faith. Actually, it's not at all like faith. Faith is believing in something without reasoning. That's not what this is at all. It's also not a whole lot of studies either.

"Mediocrity is self inflicted, genius is self bestowed." - Walter Russell

Boagie, we can keep discussing this and hope someone will join in the discussion.

[boagie]

Justin,

Great sounds like a plan to me!!

Properly then the mind/brain is a secondary organ in serves to the community of the body. To speak of the immortality of the mind makes about as much sense as talk about the immortality of the soul, both forever remain undefined. Is the soul of the mind, if so, soul is then a function of the brain, which is in serves to the body------not going to fly?

[perplexity]

Originally Posted by boagie

Properly then the mind/brain is a secondary organ in serves to the community of the body.

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Properly, the brain is the brain:

brain - Definitions from Dictionary.com

and the mind is the mind:

mind - Definitions from Dictionary.com

Why confuse the issue?

If you go to Court it is no good to blame your brain.

The Law expects the mind to speak for itself.

[Phaedrus]

Forgive me for dropping in but i find this fascinating. I agree with the ideas on both sides. What Bogie refers to I know as the aggregate "animal soul" of the body. It is the collective consciousness that is responsible for thos autonomic functions and instuinctual respomses. In the human being there is an other, driving from the top down. This higher consciousness uses the mind, the mind uses the brain and the brain uses the sensory apparatus and controls the movement and use of that physical body.

Illness does precipitate down from the mind, but more often from emotional disturbance. We can get uposet until we are sick and we can think ourselves sick as well either knowingly or not. Other illness originates within the vital energy that permeates the physical structure as well. The Dense body itself isn;'t really the cause of much. injury could even under some circumstances becaused subconsciously in order to avoid some situation.

If you have ever stepped aside your emotional response to examine what you were feeling and why you behaved in a certain manner you know the mind was examining something other than itself. The same can be donewith thought processes. What the hell was I thinking? Am I thinking this through? Even the rejection of pain can be seen as the mind controlling the brain.

[Phaedrus]

This goes a little deeper than the topic requires, but its quite soimething and it does relate, if not directly...

Robert Browning

Death in the
Dessert..

“Three souls which make up one soul; first, to wit,
A soul of each and all the bodily parts,
Seated therein, which works, and is what Does,
And has the use of earth, and ends the man
Downward: but, tending upward for advice,
Grows into, and again is grown into
By the next soul, which, seated in the brain,
Useth the first with its collected use,
And feeleth, thinketh, willeth, -- is what Knows
Which, duly tending upward in its turn,
Grows into, and again is grown into
By the last soul, that uses both the first,
Subsisting whether they assist or no,
And, constituting man’s self, is what Is –
And leans upon the former, makes it play,
As that played off the first, and, tending up,
Holds, is upheld by, God, and ends the man
Upward in that dread point of intercourse,
Nor needs a place, for it returns to Him.

What Does, what Knows, what Is; three souls, one man.”

What “Does” – the human personality or animal soul.
What “Knows” – the reincarnating Ego or human soul.
What “Is” – the Monad clothed as the Solar Angel or Spiritual
Triad.

[ogden]

Pheadrus, thank you for that unifying thought.

Do not the mind and body serve eachother as simbyotic? A body without a mind is not much use, and here I'm refering to what would be a vegitative state (little brain activity). Not that we could determin lack of spirit or soul in such a person, just using this as an example. It is no use to have a mind without a body, and this was already determined to be imposible in this thread, so then if niether can exist seperately; they must be equal.

[Phaedrus]

Well they are absolutely interdependant, so for all practical purposes, I suppose they are equally necessary. Two sides balanced with consiousness as the fulcrum.

[Aedes]

Thought, which includes the experience of self-awareness that we call the mind, is among the physiologic functions of the brain, which is an organ in biological terms. You can't really use the word organ for the mind any more so than you can use the word "organ" for digestion or gas exchange or circulation or vision or [i]whatever other physiologic process.

[Phaedrus]

Originally Posted by Aedes

Thought, which includes the experience of self-awareness that we call the mind, is among the physiologic functions of the brain, which is an organ in biological terms. You can't really use the word organ for the mind any more so than you can use the word "organ" for digestion or gas exchange or circulation or vision or [i]whatever other physiologic process.

I agree with what you say with the exception that awareness is not a function of thought. If anything thought is a function of a certain level of awareness. A plant is aware without thought as we understand it.

[Aedes]

Originally Posted by Phaedrus

I agree with what you say with the exception that awareness is not a function of thought. If anything thought is a function of a certain level of awareness. A plant is aware without thought as we understand it.

Well, I guess it depends whether you think thought can be a passive process or not. Plants are not self-aware, but humans are, and self-awareness exists in thought, irrespective of which one comes first.