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Metaphysics The ultimate nature of existence. Relationships between mind and matter, substance and attribute, fact and value. Why are we here? Is there a God? What is substance? Real or not?

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ok so i am new here and i will cut the waffle as lots of you seem to ramble on and get to the point !
metaphysics how many of you have seen spirits ? or indeed believe in in them are they a load of tosh ! or do you have more to say lets hear your viees good, bad, ugly you decide ?????..................
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I found that post rather hard to follow...

Anyway, I think that our mind could be a spirit, of some sort. Maybe it isn't, but it's possible.

I'm leaning towards (but not completely subscribing too) the idea that our soul, body, mind, or whatever you call it does not live on past death. I can't really be sure at all, though. However, I believe that absence of a life affter death might not be at all that bad. Think about it; freedom from all of the pains of life (sort of a Buddhist nirvana-like thing I have goin' here, )

I obviously do not take a strong side of belief on this, but I'm putting this out for consideration. It seems likely enough. But you never know .
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I agree. There is a lulling sense with death, the loss of perceivance, the breaking of reality with actuality, the ending of causality
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metaphysics how many of you have seen spirits ?
When I first started studying philosophy, I was in the book store paroozing the philosophy section, looked over and saw a section title Metaphysics, and started salavating. I thought to myself, "a whole fricken' section to metaphysics!!".

Much to my surprise, all of the books dealt with witchcraft, mediums, and ghosts. Is this the sort of metaphysics you are refering to?
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I don't believe in the supernatural in terms of what u r refering to, in fact I don't believe metaphysics should have anything to do with that sort of thing. Is metaphysics not the study of principles and the effect they have on the universe. There is no proof that such beings exist therefore why construe them with explaining events and the universe. It is a frivolous, childish concept.
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Don't get me wrong though, I believe in a transcendence that governs the existence and morality of God and what it stands for. I also believe in the soul, but not a spirit. I don't believe that at any point there is an incorporeal part to the living that coexists with it. It is to me, an illusion created by transcendence, however humanity would be insane with it.
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are you sitting on the fence here ?
either you believe death is the end ?
or we continue?
which is it for you.
depending on how this thread evolves i shall disclose my own thoughts further on
thanks for your thoughts
much peace
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are you sitting on the fence here ?
either you believe death is the end ?
or we continue?
which is it for you.
depending on how this thread evolves i shall disclose my own thoughts further on
thanks for your thoughts
much peace
When you close your eye's you see black, when a dead man close's his eye's how can he see black, when a man born with no eye's look's into the sky will he see black?

Will the dead man and the man with no eye's see the same?

To prove or disprove, only one thing is truely for sure...
Only the living will care...
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When you close your eye's you see black, when a dead man close's his eye's how can he see black, when a man born with no eye's look's into the sky will he see black?

Will the dead man and the man with no eye's see the same?

To prove or disprove, only one thing is truely for sure...
Only the living will care...
the dead do not see through the eyes of the physical if they did they would not be dead
and yet they see
define sight .........is sight only through the eyes or is sight another form of seeing the world .
also have you ever died and yet still seen yet your eyes are closed ?
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NO sounds like the book store just lumped them all together for get the books what does death mean to you or dindeed is there a death and do you continue? or is that it? your thought
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