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Originally Posted by Fido  Do you believe all that one might call the 'stream of consciousness' -all you are sensing right now minus your feelings about the feelings is in some way not objectively what is occuring? Our lives minus our considerations, or deliberations, our plans and fears for the future, or or regrets and memories of the past is all stream of consciousness. We learn to see, but can witness to what we are seeing without knowing its significance, or judging its meaning and value.
With time we have change that marks our lives off into segments. Is it the segments we relate first to changes of season and to day and night what give meaning to our lives or is it our lives which give meaning to them; to time? The more conscious we are of the value of time the more likely we are to divide it into smaller and smaller pieces not directly relative to anything in life but to life, lived in minutia rather than in gross. We know by insight, by the logic of emotion that time is life, and life is meaning, so time is meaning too. In the great play of existence does it matter whether one lives a minute or a hundred years? The longer existence plays out the more a minute comes to equal a hundred years. It is the life we have to reckon the time by. If it is filled by life the time has meaning. |
Fido,
I believe you are saying a number of things here, not all of which I think I agree with, but perhaps most. The first paragraph seems to enlighten us to the fact that most of reality we are unaware of. The second premise here seems to state that these things we are unaware of are still objective realities--------yes? That which is not conscious to a subject has no meaning nor any value, this is what consciousness brings to the objective world [read physcial world] So that which is not known to an organism on any level of consciousness in effect does not exist. It is an interesting problem you present, for are not the conditions the organism is subjected to, even if the organism is unaware of them, effective elements in the state of the organism? This I think causes us to wonder just how extensive consciousness is, and/or how extensive the organism is. This is I find a very stimulating post Fido------well done!
The second paragraph, you are speaking of the physcial realities of change as in the arch of the sun, the rotation of the earth. You ask does this give meaning to our lives or do our lives give meaning to these physical happenings. The most obvious answer, if we are thinking in terms of cognitve concepts and meaning, would be of course, all meaning is the property of the subject, and it is the subject that gives meaning to the physical world---in a rather egocentric way. The idea of meaning though is intrigueing for what we experience on a lower level, on a biological level, example how we are effected by the physcial world, cannot be simply what we are cognitively aware of. This is delightful Fido!! You state life is meaning, this is a little shakey, how much meaning do you think an earth worm brings to the world, the earth worm is in effect the relations it has with the world and little else, though that might be said of us as well. I think in the discussion it is going to be essential to expand our idea of organism, and/or individual ect.., "It is life we have to reckon time by. The world is filled with life which gives time its meaning." Indeed without the conscious subject there is no time, time is a concept, and only conscious beings can form concepts. A lot of stuff here to ponder and play with, great post Fido!!! Even this post is a little rash on my part, but it should be an interesting discussion.
11-24-2007, 09:16 PM
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