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| Re: Propositional Logic Symposia - [6] – Complex and Partial Truth Tables
Here are some sample problems to do. I posted the link to the answer at the bottom of the post. For the complex truth tables, I just listed the main connective truth values so you can see the answers more clearly. (remember that the / denotes the conclusion, which has its own line.) Complex truth tables. 1. A v B B v C / A v C 2. A --> B / B --> A 3. A --> (B -->C) / C --> ( B --> A ) Partial truth tables 1. A -->B W-->S B v S / A v W 2. ~ (A & B) / ~A Answer Key links Complex Truth Tables - http://i32.tinypic.com/27yq4v4.jpg Partial Truth Tables - http://i25.tinypic.com/1059rmo.jpg |
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| Re: Propositional Logic Symposia - [6] – Complex and Partial Truth Tables
Say VideCorSpoon, is it not true that B v C / A v C can also be spelled as B v C --> A v C?
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Exactly! If you had BvC / AvC all by itself, you could in certain circumstances interpret it as the conditional BvC --> AvC. You can do that because that slash symbol is basically the same as saying therefore or thus because it denotes a conclusion much like a conditionals “then.” So… BvC / AvC could be translated as; B or C, thus A or C, which can be interpreted as “If” B or C, “then” A or C, which is the conditional (BvC) --> (AvC). |
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| Re: Propositional Logic Symposia - [6] – Complex and Partial Truth Tables May I request a table with the connective values (v, &, --> etc.) in it with their word equivalents (either, or, and etc.) and the rules that apply to make the connective true/false. This would be a very useful tool while I practice. Also could you reiterate the rules... 1.If one of the rows in your truth table contains all True’s in your premises columns but a False in your conclusion column, then the argument is invalid 2.If there are now rows which contain true premises and a false conclusion, the argument is valid. Aren't these both the same, if the premises of a row are true and the conclusion false the argument is invalid and valid? Also do you mean ALL values in a row (main variables and connectives) or just one or the other? Thanks for another great instalment by the way Vide, Dan.
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| Re: Propositional Logic Symposia - [6] – Complex and Partial Truth Tables
Hold on a second de budding, things aren't as simple as you may think at this point. Words have multiple meanings sometimes. It all depends what one means with it. examples: I saw A but not B. I see A but not when I see B. The word 'but' means 'or' in the first sentence and 'if' in the second. Perhaps the example isn't that great, but I had a hard time of thinking of one. The point is that it depends on the situation. Think of people with lack of knowledge of a language for instance. They can make sentences which mean the opposite of what it would have ment if someone with good knowledge of the laguage had spoken it. I hope you see this point. The truth tables have a different value then you think I am afraid. All conditions may be true, but the conclusion may be false. The logical reasonings have nothing to do with reality, remember. I could say that A, B and C are prensent and because of that D is also. That would look like a solid reasoning, but D may be present due to other circumstances than the presence of A, B and C. This would leave the reasoning incorrect, even thought the conditions are all met. For the same reason the conclusion can be invalid with all arguments valid and therefore the reasoning would be correct. I think trouble like this can only exist when the arguments are not correctly transformed into logical sentences and therefore do not correlate with 'reality'. This clearly shows my earlier point that a reasoning may be correct, but that it has nothing to do with what actually takes place.
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| Re: Propositional Logic Symposia - [6] – Complex and Partial Truth Tables
I get the first part about word use, but as long as I keep this in mind such a table, as requested, would not be misused. So thanks! I'll keep my wares about me. And yes I see your point about reasoning being correct within the context of logic but completely absurd in actuality but I am still interested to get a grasp of the popular system within the context of logic, just so I can use it to annoy people if nothing else ![]() Dan.
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Anyway, the popular use of logic contains the understanding that correct reasoning has no bearing on reality; only on an actuality.
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| Re: Propositional Logic Symposia - [6] – Complex and Partial Truth Tables
de_budding, Thanks for the thanks! Sorry for the delay, I needed to make sure I put in all the things I could for the tables. You shed light on a very good idea, which is to make a kind of single page reference sheet so all the rules and such will be displayed on a single page. I'll get to work on that. This is the connectives and associated words... ![]() The primary words are law... they cannot be disputed. The additional words are the ones I am aware of that are acceptable. This is not to say that other words cannot denote connectives. Arjen brings up some good points about words like “but” can in some instances mean “or. They can also in some cases denote a conditional. But it is not a precise word and it is not used much in formal logic syntax because it is informal. I'm not quite sure if I put all the additional words in though, so if you or anyone else have any more additions, I'll mend the chart. Also, this is a table with the connective truth value rules... ![]() You are right when you said that 1 and 2 from the validity rules are the same. I just find it easier to remember validity and invalidity in those two distinct ways. Also, you had asked if “all values in a row (main variables and connectives) or just one or the other?” in regards to the truth table rows. The only values that matter are the main connectives of each column. The other truth values are just needed to derive the value of the main connective, so you can just cross them out when you get the main connective truth value. But don't erase them in case you make a mistake somewhere along the line. The explanation chart below elaborates on the complex truth table procedure at step 7 (and also proves that I do not practice what I preach because I erased the irrelevant truth values, LOL!) |
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