The Future.

[Pessimist]

The future is often enough the controlling mechanism of politics and governments in which exchanges of promises are made in order to bait the populance into submission metaphysically where a certain amount of people claim a sort of special authority.

If you don't agree with my sentiments what exactly is the use in talking or describing what is seemingly called the future?

Even more interesting if we accept that the cosmos or universe is indeed a relative one that destroys our mythological narrative of some final destination or mass purpose of mankind.


Person 1: The future will save us all. The future is a bright better new tomorrow. The future represents progress.

Person 2: Have you ever seen the future? Have you ever experienced the future? Have you ever touched and felt the presence of the future to know what the future holds?

Person 1: Well... um... no.

Person 2: What is the future, then?

Person 1: ( Silent.)

[Arjen]

I think what you are pointing to is that we "exist" in what people call "the now". By existing not only "now", but also "here" we can get very close to simply "existing". When "existing" one can experience things around in a much clear way. Things around work in on the consciousness in an "energetic" manner and as such one can, if one is quiet enough in oneself, "experience" things a long way from the "here". The same goes for experienceing "the now"; it is linked with everywhen in a way which is unfathomable to us I sometimes think. The crazy part of it is that when realising this cognitively this "existence" is severed.

Is this in anyway valuable to you?

[GoshisDead]

That is like saying
Person 1: The past will teach us all. The past is the memory of our mistakes and conquests. The past shows us our progress.

Person 2: Can you see the past? Can yo experience the past? Can you touch, see, sense the past, and prove what the past held?

Person 1: Well... um... no.

Person 2: What is the past, then?

Person 1: ( Silent.)

Memory is the only thing that shows that past was real, it is what tells us there will be a future, there has been a past since memory which has turned into a future. One cannot exist without the other, although you can't prove either was or will be real. therefore it is completely legitimate to refer to the possible future, whether or not it is likely thatthe future will be better.

[Pessimist]

Originally Posted by Arjen

I think what you are pointing to is that we "exist" in what people call "the now". By existing not only "now", but also "here" we can get very close to simply "existing". When "existing" one can experience things around in a much clear way. Things around work in on the consciousness in an "energetic" manner and as such one can, if one is quiet enough in oneself, "experience" things a long way from the "here". The same goes for experienceing "the now"; it is linked with everywhen in a way which is unfathomable to us I sometimes think. The crazy part of it is that when realising this cognitively this "existence" is severed.

Is this in anyway valuable to you?

I'm merely saying that we in actuality have no understanding of the future in that projections of the subject always remain dreamed or imagined.

Yet ironically such dreams and imaginations of a subject that is completely unexpirienced, unforseen or unknown has come to dominate us all in a strange sort of way.

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

That is like saying
Person 1: The past will teach us all. The past is the memory of our mistakes and conquests. The past shows us our progress.

Person 2: Can you see the past? Can yo experience the past? Can you touch, see, sense the past, and prove what the past held?

Person 1: Well... um... no.

Person 2: What is the past, then?

Person 1: ( Silent.)

Memory is the only thing that shows that past was real, it is what tells us there will be a future, there has been a past since memory which has turned into a future. One cannot exist without the other, although you can't prove either was or will be real. therefore it is completely legitimate to refer to the possible future, whether or not it is likely thatthe future will be better.

But since memory isn't adequate enough to understand the past as we all die along with our memories we resort to writing in recordance which leads to interpretation but since writing can't accurately record everything it also leads to distortion of information as well.

it is what tells us there will be a future,

How exactly.

There could possibly be a day where everything is destroyed where there will be no future and history has no control or specific vision on that.

there has been a past since memory which has turned into a future

Since the future is unexpirienced by all of us in the present ( Past included) it is always discussed and driven by desires, fantasies, or flights of fancy. Nothing more.

One cannot exist without the other, although you can't prove either was or will be real. therefore it is completely legitimate to refer to the possible future, whether or not it is likely thatthe future will be better.

If we really wanted to get complicated and epistemological we could say that all meanings are social fabrications in that through actuality there only exists one single flow of existence.

All I'm merely saying is that the future is a theoretical guessing game and in many ways thrives on people's delusional fantasies or mythologies.

Even more interesting is how governments and people of authority survive solely on people's delusional fears of the future which at the same time they threaten people's perceived futures too in order to bait individuals into obedience.

The government has strictly become a religion of the future.

[GoshisDead]

All I'm merely saying is that the future is a theoretical guessing game and in many ways thrives on people's delusional fantasies or mythologies.

So is history.......

[Pessimist]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

So is history.......

Sure. I agree.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Pessimist

Person 1: The future will save us all. The future is a bright better new tomorrow. The future represents progress.

Person 2: Have you ever seen the future? Have you ever experienced the future? Have you ever touched and felt the presence of the future to know what the future holds?

Person 1: Well... um... no.

Person 2: What is the future, then?

Person 1: ( Silent.)

Person 1 (not silent): The future is what each of us make of it. The future is all we have ahead of us, all that is behind, is behind us. You and I and all those among us are responsible for the future.

Person 2: Never thought of it that way. Here I was trying to describe a tangible asset that could be touched and felt.

Person 1: You can choose to go through life blindfolded and allow others to create your future or you can create it for yourself. The choice is ultimately yours.

Person 2: But I'm a pessimist and your romanticism on life is just nonsense. Why don't you join me in seeing the negative in all things... We can both be miserable together and allow everything outside of us to determine our furture... I know it's dark and the future holds nothing good for anyone.

Person 1: I will not join you in your way of thinking as I view it as unproductive and dismal.

Choose your future wisely and furthermore choose your thoughts on it carefully. You are and will become that what you think most often. Your future is up to you and your future is that which you will create of it.

Person 1 - Quickly leaves the room before he catches a disease he wants no part of.

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by Pessimist

The future is often enough the controlling mechanism of politics and governments in which exchanges of promises are made in order to bait the populance into submission metaphysically where a certain amount of people claim a sort of special authority.

If you don't agree with my sentiments what exactly is the use in talking or describing what is seemingly called the future?

Even more interesting if we accept that the cosmos or universe is indeed a relative one that destroys our mythological narrative of some final destination or mass purpose of mankind.


Person 1: The future will save us all. The future is a bright better new tomorrow. The future represents progress.

Person 2: Have you ever seen the future? Have you ever experienced the future? Have you ever touched and felt the presence of the future to know what the future holds?

Person 1: Well... um... no.

Person 2: What is the future, then?

Person 1: ( Silent.)

As Bertrand Russell points out, we have all experienced past futures, but not future futures. Today, I experience a past future (what was the future yesterday). And tomorrow I will experience a past future again. Namely, the future today. So, the important thing here is to distinguish between past futures, and future futures.

[nameless]

Originally Posted by Pessimist

The future is often enough the controlling mechanism of politics and governments in which exchanges of promises are made in order to bait the populance into submission metaphysically where a certain amount of people claim a sort of special authority.

As you say, it is the 'promises' (lies and misdirection, of course) that manipulate the electorate, not 'the future', which is no more than words and concepts (since it doesnt exist as other than that).

All moments actually exist synchronously. 'Past' and 'future' are illusions from a particular perspective. Science says that there is no reason not to be able to 'remember' the 'future' as well as the 'past'. I have found this to be accurate.
All moments are Here/Now!

[No0ne]

Originally Posted by nameless

As you say, it is the 'promises' (lies and misdirection, of course) that manipulate the electorate, not 'the future', which is no more than words and concepts (since it doesnt exist as other than that).

All moments actually exist synchronously. 'Past' and 'future' are illusions from a particular perspective. Science says that there is no reason not to be able to 'remember' the 'future' as well as the 'past'. I have found this to be accurate.
All moments are Here/Now!

Ha.. well done.. yet here is a great example which can support that concept.

If you walking in some sand, you turn around and see were you once walked, the proof is the foot prints in made in that sand therfore you can see the past step's you took in your mind and in the physical world around you, yet if you look forward, you dont see the foot print's in the sand in front of you, for you have not made them yet, for you may only see them in your thought's, not in the physical world around you.

Yet the real word's are in parable format which is (For my feet are no more in the sand i walked, for the path i make ahead are my feet aswell lay not in the sand?)

The other half is (As i walk again within the sand, the winds of this land blow, and i no longer see where is was or where i will be, for i no longer can see my past step's withen the sand. Have i lost my sight of time aswell?)

So the past present and future are at one withen are mind's bound by are ability to difine the information that we have withen are mind's, yet that is all bound by are or other's perception of it all...

So you are 100% correct when you say exist synchronously.

yet the reason why, would be that we are allways or allmost allways thinking of what you just did, what are you doing, and what will you do, hence the thought of the past present and future are as one with one another, mainly because each one couldnt be without the other, the reason why is

The past present and future all happen at the same time, hence they are just words made to define a perceptable action that people have observed before we existed.

The reason why they all happen at the same time is.

The present dosnt last, the future become's your present just to become your past, all withen an instant synchronously within your self


You make your present, you make your past, you make your future, But it never lasts ^^
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but for you complex nerde peep's here is a tuff one to follow ^^

The future is the past that you made in the present.

This one is a tuff concept about the 3 observed effect's and perception from one point within perceptable time, to another point within perceptable time.

So if you think of the past in the present it effect's or changes your future that become's your present(as you think of it or see it) then become's your past ^^ so all 3 action's allways happen at the same time. your thoughts will allways be the future the present and the past at the same time you think of them. Truely synchronous action of perception of 3 difrent time's in your mind, left for you to define ^^

So thats the MAIN REASON WHY (All moment's or thinking exist synchronously with one another within one point of perceptable time within are mind)

Thank you all for your time, in reading this (Injoy)

Hope Time Fly's Who Know's Why ^.^