Do you believe in God?

[krazy kaju]

I find it surprising that there's only nine non-theists on these boards.

Honestly, there's no reason to believe in any kind of supernatural deity. Science has explained our beginnings and right now there is no reason for anyone of us to believe in that irrational being - God - when there's a rational explanation instead.

Just the concept of God is irrational. An intelligent being, with the capability to create universes, existing before the singularity? How did such an immensely complex being come into existence before such a simple thing did?

That argument just deals with the deists. Once you get into the realm of theism, us non-theists have a field day. Logical contradictions such as omnipotence and omniscience just make my job sooooo much easier.

[ogden]

Originally Posted by krazy kaju

I find it surprising that there's only nine non-theists on these boards.

Honestly, there's no reason to believe in any kind of supernatural deity. Science has explained our beginnings and right now there is no reason for anyone of us to believe in that irrational being - God - when there's a rational explanation instead.

Just the concept of God is irrational. An intelligent being, with the capability to create universes, existing before the singularity? How did such an immensely complex being come into existence before such a simple thing did?

That argument just deals with the deists. Once you get into the realm of theism, us non-theists have a field day. Logical contradictions such as omnipotence and omniscience just make my job sooooo much easier.

Krazy Kaju, greetings.

As one of the non-theists, I agree with you, however, I'm not sure what you mean by rational explanation. Creation without a creator seems irrational, and because god is unfalsifiable it seems the argument may be pointless. I do enjoy the argument though.

Personally I would be critical of any explanation of any attributes of god beyond "god is". I reject the idea of some supernatural diety with human characteristics.

I dont think we have any capacity to comprehend outside of language, or the concepts or synthesized concepts language afords us. That being said, there are things I believe that I have no way of proving real or unreal, they are only concepts, but they are real to me. Infinity, nothingness, time, mass are some examples i am thinking of.

Creation exsists, therfore creator exsists, is a valid argument. That does't make it true.

[Aedes]

Originally Posted by krazy kaju

I find it surprising that there's only nine non-theists on these boards.

There are more than that. I didn't answer the poll for the reasons I state above.

[krazy kaju]

Originally Posted by ogden

Krazy Kaju, greetings.

As one of the non-theists, I agree with you, however, I'm not sure what you mean by rational explanation. Creation without a creator seems irrational, and because god is unfalsifiable it seems the argument may be pointless. I do enjoy the argument though.

Personally I would be critical of any explanation of any attributes of god beyond "god is". I reject the idea of some supernatural diety with human characteristics.

I dont think we have any capacity to comprehend outside of language, or the concepts or synthesized concepts language afords us. That being said, there are things I believe that I have no way of proving real or unreal, they are only concepts, but they are real to me. Infinity, nothingness, time, mass are some examples i am thinking of.

Creation exsists, therfore creator exsists, is a valid argument. That does't make it true.

The whole "clockmaker" argument is not valid.

You can either accept the scientific and rational explanation of there being an eternal universe (stable, oscillating, multiverse, or otherwise) or the unscientific and irrational explanation of an eternal omnipotent being.

Originally Posted by aedes

There are more than that. I didn't answer the poll for the reasons I state above.

That's still only 10 though...

[linux_user]

AGAIN, I say....

GOD ALONE IS.

THE ONE STILL LIGHT OF KNOWING IS THE ALL - THE ONE!!

The Still KNOWING Fulcrum from which ALL Derives "It's" SEEMING Power.

WE are the ONE - THE ALL!!

Brett.

[Justin]

... Brett... agreed.

...each man will discover who or what God is only when they are ready. Part of being ready is the seeking of the God presence in our fellow man. Until that time, we as mankind will continue to seek the answer to the least understood science of all... the science of man and the existence of a God.

[linux_user]

Exactly!!

Too many of us debate the EFFECTS of CAUSE, when the answer is within the Still Light of Knowing which, if we took the time to meditate upon and KNOW, is within OURSELVES....

Too much chatter and not enough Knowing....

Brett.

[krazy kaju]

I've already discovered what God is:

NONEXISTENT

[ogden]

Originally Posted by krazy kaju

The whole "clockmaker" argument is not valid.

You can either accept the scientific and rational explanation of there being an eternal universe (stable, oscillating, multiverse, or otherwise) or the unscientific and irrational explanation of an eternal omnipotent being.



That's still only 10 though...

I thought the clockmaker argument was that the orderly complex universe indicates a clockmaker, when I was trying to take it to an existential level.

Matter exists.

Did matter (the universe) just spring from nowhere, is it infinate? What emperical evidence is there that the universe is eternal?

Not trying to be dificult, just want to understand.

[Didymos Thomas]

To say God does not exist implies you understand what God is.