woman and make-up

[Resha Caner]

Originally Posted by sue

A very interesting question that I actually think about each morning as I am putting on my makeup! However, another good question is why do men shave, get their hair cut, and generally like looking good? I think the answer to both questions would actually be the same.

Originally Posted by FatalMuse

I think to some extent, it gives us a feeling of being human and not beasts. A form of arrogance where by controlling our appearance, we feel in control of our world. Aswell as all the attraction issues already discussed.

A fun question. Maybe I missed it while browsing through this, but I get the impression that everyone thinks this is close to an unconscious, mechanical (animalistic, whatever word you want) feeling.

The feminist position (which I have always thought is too extreme) seems to claim it is a conscious, deliberate reason (or unreasonable according to them).

I'm not sure I agree with either. For myself, left to my own choices, I wouldn't shave or cut my hair. It is a conscious decision on my part to comply with social norms. Why? I don't care about breeding. I just don't want to be lonely. From an evolutionary perspective those are one in the same thing. From a spiritual perspective they are very different.

(edit) I guess I should add that I realize the whole thing can be manipulated. And, while it is most often men doing the manipulating, it is not exclusively men. Gold diggers do exit.

[boagie]

What of the consideration of the fact that, sexual selection is the female function, how is this process shaped as it is poured into the form of society, and of the differing kinds/forms of societies??



"When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Stclair Lewis----------think Bush!!

[No0ne]

Make-up is all about making your flesh more presentable, to your taste or the taste of another.

Since not everyone dosnt get to choose how there flesh will look, for make-up give's people the power to choose to advance there look's to a point where it could apeal there individual taste.

It's all about the intent of the person that apply's make-up, hence if there intent is just to please another's taste or there own.

(Also make-up has a power that can alter the perception of another person of the person that has applied make-up.)

Yet In my opinion, they are just adjusting there look's to there taste, or the taste's of another to please them self or that other.

(Yet I still dont support nor not support make-up...I'll stay neutral, and just state the fact's)

[boagie]

Makeup is to mislead the opposite sex that one is younger and/or healthier than they really are, and if accomplished, that feels pretty good.

[de_budding]

Originally Posted by sue

A very interesting question that I actually think about each morning as I am putting on my makeup! However, another good question is why do men shave, get their hair cut, and generally like looking good? I think the answer to both questions would actually be the same.

I only shave once a week before work, I feel obliged. I generally don't have haircuts, my girlfriend makes me when it gets too long, and even then it is just a pony tail which is snipped off.
I think you will find a split between men who feel obliged, for various reasons, to look respectable or up-to-standard in certain situation, and men who we might label metrosexual.

Also, is it just a coincidence that virtually all male figures in the hair & fashion industries seem to be not only gay, but extremely feminine and eccentric as well? It seems anything near such a female driven industry is feminine its self... it seems necessary to be at least feminine if your going to care about looks to such an extent. I think the metrosexual sect is, as the name suggests, sexuality driven. Hence I disagree with your point... the only parallel I can draw consistently is that of 'testosterone', men are quite good I think when it comes to looking good for the sake of sex (we are somewhat seduced by fads and the such though it seems.)

A side note on homosexuality in men; is the feminine character which seems to inhabit every single gay man I see now-a-days, evidence that this gay ('new-gay') is a cultural phenomenon adopted from woman. I am aware that homosexuality is as old as the hills, but I can't imagine a gay roman warrior with a hip-swinging walk, female mannerisms and a self-enforced lisp. This is the same for all ancient and passed homosexuality-when did the homosexual man become so damn camp?! I have no issues with homosexuality per se, but I see new-gay as a fickle fad, a cultural 'cool' that is stylistically driven... I like my sexuality genuine and understood, not adopted and culturally driven by fads of the moment... I could be wrong, perhaps when one is gay a lisp is a medical inevitability along with female mannerisms and a feminine character.

Dan.

[Resha Caner]

Originally Posted by de_budding

A side note on homosexuality in men; is the feminine character which seems to inhabit every single gay man I see now-a-days, evidence that this gay ('new-gay') is a cultural phenomenon adopted from woman.

I do suspect some of it is an act ... or a certain teenage-like immaturity of acting out. It's hard to flaunt your "gayness" by acting even more masculine. But my lifestyle doesn't lead me toward much interaction with gays, so my experience is only anecdotal. From what I've seen, it isn't that they all present a feminine demeanor. Instead, they seem to pair up, with one member of the couple acting "masculine" and the other acting "feminine". It happens with both gays & lesbians.

I always thought it a very telling detail, but any time it comes up it is usually denied as an aspect of homosexuality.

[Justin]

LOL, if it wasn't for my wife pressuring me, I wouldn't shave at all. Actually I tried to get a 2 year trial period so I could just let everything grow out but that didn't fly with her either so the winter months are all I'm allowed.

On the flip side, I'm not sure I'd want my wife to just let it all go for a few months. She doesn't wear much makeup and isn't a fanatic about doing her nails but when she does, she looks way different.

[iconoclast]

I havent read the thread, but I just wanted to say that I love watching a woman putting on make-up. It's the sexiest thing. Just enough...

[VideCorSpoon]

Originally Posted by iconoclast

I havent read the thread, but I just wanted to say that I love watching a woman putting on make-up. It's the sexiest thing. Just enough...

I think the interesting thing is that one sex perceives the other sex as a type of exotic animal. Like the male sex is a variety of exotic bird watcher. There may be something to say on the actual approach to the issue rather than the issue itself.

[iconoclast]

VideCorSpoon,

I'm sure I'm not alone in this small and relatively innocent pleasure. It's like, when you meet a girl she's all made up, and you date her, she arrives wearing make-up. But watching her put it on is like a peek backstage at the theater, but also about the intimacy between a man and woman. If you're watching her put her make-up on it's like you're trusted - past that 'meet you in a well lit public space' phase.