The knowledge of ignorance

[nameless]

Originally Posted by FatalMuse

When I can establish I don't know something, my knowledge has increased.

Perhaps, rather than 'knowledge' that has increased, it is 'understanding' (or 'awareness')? Then your statement would not be paradoxical.
(There 'is' a difference between 'knowledge' and 'understanding'.)

[Zetetic11235]

Nothing is increased! As I said before, it is only conceptual reorgaization by differention between what is the case and what is possible! Your mind contains all the audio-visual-conceptual framework and any external indicator is just a prompt for reorganization.

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by Zetetic11235

Nothing is increased! As I said before, it is only conceptual reorgaization by differention between what is the case and what is possible! Your mind contains all the audio-visual-conceptual framework and any external indicator is just a prompt for reorganization.

Well, thank you for clearing that up. I suppose that I never thought I knew that the capital of Brazil was Rio, and found out that it was Brasilia. It must have been just a dream. Thank you once again. I have been conceptually reorganized.

[savagemonk]

I am not sure that I understand the conclusion to this thread. So if ignorance is the lack of knowledge. When do we truly posses that knowledge to say that we are not ignorant. For example when your mother tells you not to touch the stove because it will burn you. Do you really know that it will. At this point you have only been told so. There is no proof behind the knowledge, there for you are still ignorant to the fact that the stove will burn you. So in order to actually know that the stove burns you is to touch it. ouch that burns: now I know. So unless the knowledge is proven we are still ignorant to the fact.

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by savagemonk

I am not sure that I understand the conclusion to this thread. So if ignorance is the lack of knowledge. When do we truly posses that knowledge to say that we are not ignorant. For example when your mother tells you not to touch the stove because it will burn you. Do you really know that it will. At this point you have only been told so. There is no proof behind the knowledge, there for you are still ignorant to the fact that the stove will burn you. So in order to actually know that the stove burns you is to touch it. ouch that burns: now I know. So unless the knowledge is proven we are still ignorant to the fact.

If my Merriam-Webster dictionary tells me that the word "weird" is spelled that way, isn't that proof that "weird" is spelled that way, and don't I know it is? My mother may not be an authority on some things, but why would she not be an authority on whether a hot stove will burn me?

[nameless]

Originally Posted by FatalMuse

Sorry if this is a bit silly or obvious/obviously flawed.

Nah, just a little confused. Perhaps I can offer some Perspective...

When I can establish I don't know something, my knowledge has increased.

First, I define 'knowledge' as the sum total of one's memory, at any one moment.
If I lift the hood on my smoking and motionless car on the side of the road, look at the engine all fizzling and hot, I might 'realize' that i know nothing about car engines. I guess that would be a 'knowing' something. A 'knowing' of one's ignorance. A 'realization' perhaps, rather than a 'knowing'.

I now know of something that I don't know.

See above. You 'know' what you don't know. The more that you learn about something, the more that you learn that you are ignorant of other aspects.
Every 'answer' leads to many new questions, hence; "the more I learn, the less I know" as ignorance is juxtaposed/contextualized with 'understanding' (knowledge).

just becoming aware of your ignorance?

Exactly! Thats the point where 'knowledge' becomes 'wisdom'.
The more that i learn, the less i know, until;
"In Silentium, Verum!" -Book of Fudd
("In Silence, Truth!")

The more I think about it, I don't know anything.
But at least I know that much.

Do you?
*__-

[nameless]

Originally Posted by Zetetic11235

Nothing is increased! As I said before, it is only conceptual reorgaization by differention between what is the case and what is possible!

Perhaps that is true and correct from/for 'your' Perspective, but from this one, all possibilities, all potentialities are manifested/actualized in and as all Perspectives. "What is the case" and "what is possible" is one and the same. In 'this' universe, to 'this' Perspective.
So, as you "said before", was not stating an omniversal truth, but what is true and correct as 'your' Perspective.

[savagemonk]

I believe that I understand now. The realization of the ignorance is the knowledge in itself. The wisdom is reached through the determination to understand what it is that you are ignorant in.

Leading to caffeine, nicotine and scouring through text Philosophy forums to find another question or proof of knowledge. Just to realize that you don't know.

[nameless]

Originally Posted by savagemonk

The realization of the ignorance is the knowledge in itself.

So, 'knowledge' and 'ignorance' are one and the same...

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by nameless

So, 'knowledge' and 'ignorance' are one and the same...

Of course not. What would make you think so? Knowledge of ignorance is not ignorance anymore than knowledge that something is an apple is, itself, an apple.